ReImagining Our Criminal Justice System

The country spends over 80 billion dollars a year on incarceration, so we need transformation, not reformation. On today's podcast we are ReImagining Our Criminal Justice System with special guest Brittany K Barnett!

  • 0:00 Episode starts 

  • 0:44 Personal check-ins start

  • 1:16 Rob talks about time with family and being outside more

  • 2:13 Rob mentions the relevance of The Social Dilemma and the case for tribalism

  • 5:01 Jes talks about fall and life and cooler weather

  • 8:31 Brittany K Barnett signs onto the conversation

  • 10:20 Jes introduces Brittany and the importance of her focus being reframing how we look at justice

  • 11:43 Brittany takes some time for a personal check in

  • 12:44 Jes asks Brittany to tell her story and how she got involved in the work she’s doing 

  • 12:48 Brittany tells about growing up in a small town

  • 13:12 Brittany brings up her mom’s drug addiction and it eventually leading to prison

  • 13:48 Brittany mentions from very early on learning about the brokenness of the system, recognizing that her mom needed treatment, not prison

  • 16:05 Brittany shares that she always wanted to be a lawyer, but as she grew older, it felt more out of her reach

  • 17:04 Brittany started school for accounting

  • 17:46 Brittany mentions a critical race theory course that changed her life

  • 19:48 Rob asks Brittany about Sharonda Jones’ case, how it impacted her, and the importance of getting proximate

  • 20:15 In 1986, the US Congress passed the Anti-Drug Abuse Act with a 100-to-1 weight ratio with cocaine

  • 24:30 Brittany wrote to Sharonda about taking her case and how quickly they became like family

  • 26:27 Brittany shares how Sharonda was released from prison by President Barack Obama after 16 years and 9 months

  • 28:31 Jes asks Brittany what she could fix with a magic wand to be able to change

  • 28:52 Brittany answers that she would change the retro-activity in the laws that are changing

  • 29:40 Do we want a justice system? Do we want to pay to incarcerate people, like Sharonda Jones, for lifelong sentences?

  • 29:52 The country spends over 80 billion dollars a year on incarceration, so we need transformation, not reformation

  • 31:01 Rob asks Brittany about what gives her hope for what fuels her

  • 31:16 Brittany gets hope from her clients and the Buried Alive Project

  • 32:47 Brittany shares the importance of humanizing the data and how important it is for her work

  • 33:44 A Knock at Midnight brings the story of incarceration and Sharonda Jones to light

  • 34:54 Jes asks Brittany about how listeners can show up

  • 35:09 Brittany encourages people to educate themselves about the issue and to reach out to local organizations doing the work and exercising the right to vote

  • 37:49 Brittany shares more about how to get the book, available at Amazon, Barnes and Noble, and audio book

  • 39:03 Brittany signs off conversation

  • 39:40 We have to look past the numbers to the heartbeat

  • 40:01 Rob shares that his takeaway is the importance of the humanity aspect

  • 41:17 Jes shares that her takeaway was thinking about Brittany’s comment of how much genius gets locked up beyond bars because of one mistake

  • 41:49 Rob admits that the language we use to define someone behind bars does not give credit to genius

  • 43:51 Sign-off

  • 43:59 Outro

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